On 12-9
I had intended on explaining that 12-9 (or 9-12) was the day the world actually started to change. But I don't need to: Graydon Carter can tell you better than I can--'specially as I'm a bit bogged down with work at the mo'.And on this, the fifth anniversary of 9/11, perhaps it's time to review the administration's assertion that that was the day the world changed. It really wasn't; 9/12 was. That was the day the neocons in the White House began using this devastating attack on American soil to further their own dreams of taking over Iraq. That was the day the world began its downward spiral. That was the day the administration began plotting to remove a dictator over there and to create one here.Stolen wholesale from Vanity Fair, and I think I originally saw bits of this over at Raincoaster, who will whine like a worn-out u-joint if I don't give her a link.
posted by Metro @ 5:57 pm
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Goddam fucking straight I would.
This link.
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Anonymous:
I'm dropping your first comment. If you can't handle the language you run into on the 'net then you can go find a nice selection of Dr. Suess books somewhere else.
As to your second comment--it wasn't a comment. There's a point at which you're not participating in the discussion anymore, such as when you violate a comments section by posting endlessly long justifications that miss the point.
As far as I know, not France (where radical Islam ran riot in the streets) nor Germany (where anti-immigration Nazis did the same) has used TWAT to circumscribe their own citizens' constitiutional rights or subject them to domestic espionage of tenuous legality. Nor do they torture people yet.
I'm deleting that one too, but I'll post some of your essential points with your citation, to show you how it's done.
If I have to do it again I won't expect payment--I'll just delete it.
If you honestly wish to express an opinion, you're welcome to. But try to play nice, eh?
Oh--and don't insult my friends again. That'll keep me from addressing you as "you pusillanimous pissant".
Do you "GD" get me?
To Avid Fans:
I mentioned above that Anonymous posted a too-long list of remarks and quotes. Since he apparently hasn't got his own blog, I felt it unfair to just delete it, though. Here are some of his citations.
I have left off the ones that don't actually support his argument--I feel this is fair too. And some I removed just to trim excessive verbiage.
I'd thank 'Nonymouse for providing the necessary check to my balance, but I consider it a public service in the interest of discourse to publish his (abbreviated) list as follows:
"Anonymous said...
Do I have to clean up all your BS on your site Metro? THis is getting to be a full time job. I'm going to expect payment soon.
The Silberman - Robb Commission Found “[T]he Intelligence Services Of Many Other Nations Also Thought That Iraq Had Weapons Of Mass Destruction …” (“Report To The President,” Commission On The Intelligence Capabilities Of The United States Regarding Weapons Of Mass Destruction, 3/31/05)
France:
* Villepin: “Regarding the chemical domain, we have evidence of its capacity to produce VX and yperite.” (United Nations Security Council, 4701st Meeting, New York, 2/5/03)
* Villepin: “In the biological domain, the evidence suggests the possible possession of significant stocks of anthrax and botulism toxin, and possibly a production capability.” (United Nations Security Council, 4701st Meeting, New York, 2/5/03)
Germany:
German Intelligence Services Predicted That Iraq Would Have Nuclear Bomb Capabilities Within Three Years. “A report prepared by the German intelligence services in December 2000, based on defectors’ reports, satellite imagery, and aerial surveillance, predicted that Iraq will have three nuclear bombs by 2005. But that may be too optimistic. Before the Gulf War no one had a clue how far advanced Saddam’s nuclear weapons program was.” (Robert Kagan And William Kristol, “What To Do About Iraq,” The Weekly Standard, 1/21/02)
Great Britain:
Great Britain’s Prime Minister Tony Blair: “[W]hat we know from what has been going on there for a long period of time is not just the chemical, biological weapons capability, but we know that they were trying to develop nuclear weapons capability.” (Prime Minister Tony Blair, President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss Keeping The Peace, Camp David, MD, 9/7/02)
Italy:
Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: “I believe that the moment has arrived to find out where all the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein said he had, where they ended up.” (Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, President Bush Meets With Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi, Washington, DC, 1/30/03)
Australia:
* Howard: “And that is the fundamental reason why Australia has taken the position she has. And it’s the fundamental reason why we believe the goals that the United States set of disarming Iraq are proper goals and they are goals that the entire world should pursue.” (The White House, President Bush Meets With Prime Minister Howard Of Australia, 2/10/03)
The Butler Report:
The Butler Report Claimed That The President’s State Of the Union Statement On Uranium From Africa, “Was Well-Founded.” “We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Government’s dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded. By extension, we conclude also that the statement in President Bush’s State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that: ‘The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa’ was well-founded.” (The Rt. Hon. The Lord Butler Of Brockwell, “Review Of Intelligence, On Weapons Of Mass Destruction,” 7/14/04)"
There was much, much more.
But the Butler Report and everything Tony Blair based his statements on has long been exposed as an egregious pack of deliberate lies. The White House requested intelligence to back it up, and the British manufactured it.
This, too, was covered in Vanity Fair, in an article called The War They Wanted, the Lies They Needed.
The Bush administration invaded Iraq claiming Saddam Hussein had tried to buy yellowcake uranium in Niger. As much of Washington knew, and the world soon learned, the charge was false. Worse, it appears to have been the cornerstone of a highly successful "black propaganda" campaign with links to the White House
The UN also found no functional bioweapons facilities in the country. They did find one that had been shut down three years previously, though.
It's so easy to quote from the "Before" picture rather than the "After" but it doesn't add to the debate.
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Sorry 'Nonny. I apreciate your comment as attached below, but you can't call my friends that sort of thing.
Still, glad to have you back in the discourse. I have attached the comment below minus two words.
Anonymous said...
Ok, let's just try this....
Let's just agree to disagree.
You hate Bush. I don't.
Don't insult me though. I realize I have done this to you in the past and I apologize.
You think the war on terror is unjust. I don't.
Kinda tough having a debate however, if we simply think the other is wrong.
As for my GD rebuttal...it's about class metro. Raincoaster using those words was the reason I called her a name you didn't like. In some odd way, I don't think she'd be offended.
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